Posted by Marco Tonini on November 18, 2009 at 17:26
I know,
most of us manage workshops, lectures, private lessons about overtones and voice, and it is right we ask a fee to partecipate.
It is a free network, and nobody ask to disclose own vocal secrets, but ...
I think there are many experts but many novices too, or people that try to learn something.
I'd like this space is used to attract more overtone lovers, so it would be adequate to write our feelings, experiences, something about technique, theory, ...
It can be a nice way to keep close beginners.
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Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I don't think we were really saying that any of us are afraid to share. Certainly in my case, that's not so, but rather that we sense that there just isn't much interest or response, so is there a reason to invest the time and effort? Personally, I have other venues to just post my thoughts/opinions/perspectives, such as my own sites. Elsewhere, honestly, for me to be motivated requires a sense of engagement, sharing as opposed to lecturing.
I plan to share my thoughts re: the karg/monk question asap when I have a bit more time.
Thanks Steve, behind the question »have we fear to share« is exactly that point for me: is there a reason to invest time and effort or is it better to switch this site into a private group without any moderation and administrative control ? What I mean with private group can you see here (but by the way inside of this group there is a good flow of discussions and input.
@Wolfman: I have no problems to share something with other people. It is the way of sharing. I can forward my efforts in running a blog and not a web 2.0 community. And sure: I haven't fear. Just about those who are indifferent/ lackadaisical.
Ciao Marco and hi Steve ... I have read this thread without any response yet. Have we fear? Are we overloaded with facebook, MySpace, YouTube and other social networking sites? This network has 1000 profile page. But it is only a number. No reason to judge about the motivation to sign up this network and be a member of this group specially. Yes, many novices signed up this network to be connected with experts. So this site also like Steve's sites and your tertium auris blog can be an offer ... an offer for what? To getting in touch and getting closer with overtones, overtone singing and a kind of music with a high level of harmonics. What we can do is only to make an offer - not more. Stay tuned with a long breath! We are just always at the beginning. Best, Jm
Good question. I think that in my experience, networks like this often attract a lot of members, but except for maybe posting a gig, workshop, or the infrequent tune or video, or just sending greetings to each other, most folks are just not very interested in anything deeper or more substantial.
I have at times posted about techniques, ideas, or other matters and months or more later, there are very few or more likely no responses. That tells me that it probably is not worth the time to make additional efforts. So no fear, but little motivation to make a larger effort.
Another thing: I have touched on this elsewhere here (getting no response) that often "overtone people" have a seemingly intense but shallow interest when it comes to improving their singing (especially technique). Unlike folks who get inspired by their instruments (compare attitudes in the didg world to the OS world) overtone singers are much more likely to be happy with rather meager skills. No diss to those who are exceptions (and if they stick with it, everyone knows who they are); there are indeed some who are more serious but they really are exceptions.
At least I am confident that you will read this, Marco!
If you are interested in discussing techniques/theory/experiences, etc., you might try my forum. Perhaps you'll get a better response there. It's a popular topic, though that board also varies a lot between busy and slow.
Sure, I know your great forum, once I inserted there some comments.
I agree with you, I only say that here on OMN we are more than 1000 members, a good number, and I'd like experts share own experience (technique and theory) to attract more OS lovers. Here on OMN.
In Italy many people look at OS with hesitation, I think because they look at experts like semigods, or unattainable persons, so I hope famous names of OS come close biginners and not vice versa.
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If there's interest, we can discuss further.
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I don't think we were really saying that any of us are afraid to share. Certainly in my case, that's not so, but rather that we sense that there just isn't much interest or response, so is there a reason to invest the time and effort? Personally, I have other venues to just post my thoughts/opinions/perspectives, such as my own sites. Elsewhere, honestly, for me to be motivated requires a sense of engagement, sharing as opposed to lecturing.
I plan to share my thoughts re: the karg/monk question asap when I have a bit more time.
Happy 2010,
Steve
@Wolfman: I have no problems to share something with other people. It is the way of sharing. I can forward my efforts in running a blog and not a web 2.0 community. And sure: I haven't fear. Just about those who are indifferent/ lackadaisical.
Happy 2010!
Jens
Shrug.
Prove me wrong, people!
Good question. I think that in my experience, networks like this often attract a lot of members, but except for maybe posting a gig, workshop, or the infrequent tune or video, or just sending greetings to each other, most folks are just not very interested in anything deeper or more substantial.
I have at times posted about techniques, ideas, or other matters and months or more later, there are very few or more likely no responses. That tells me that it probably is not worth the time to make additional efforts. So no fear, but little motivation to make a larger effort.
Another thing: I have touched on this elsewhere here (getting no response) that often "overtone people" have a seemingly intense but shallow interest when it comes to improving their singing (especially technique). Unlike folks who get inspired by their instruments (compare attitudes in the didg world to the OS world) overtone singers are much more likely to be happy with rather meager skills. No diss to those who are exceptions (and if they stick with it, everyone knows who they are); there are indeed some who are more serious but they really are exceptions.
At least I am confident that you will read this, Marco!
If you are interested in discussing techniques/theory/experiences, etc., you might try my forum. Perhaps you'll get a better response there. It's a popular topic, though that board also varies a lot between busy and slow.
Cheers,
Steve Sklar
Sure, I know your great forum, once I inserted there some comments.
I agree with you, I only say that here on OMN we are more than 1000 members, a good number, and I'd like experts share own experience (technique and theory) to attract more OS lovers. Here on OMN.
In Italy many people look at OS with hesitation, I think because they look at experts like semigods, or unattainable persons, so I hope famous names of OS come close biginners and not vice versa.
Thanks to you!